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JOYY After Sale of YY

JOYY (NASDAQ: YY) just announced on Feb 8 that “The sale by JOYY Inc. (“JOYY” or the “Company”) of its YY Live business to Baidu, Inc. is substantially completed”.

Without the China business, YY = BIGO, which has BIGO Live and Likee.

More importantly, investors are only valuing the BIGO Live business, while Likee is like a “bonus”.

To be more specific,

1/ BIGO is undervalued

JOYY has ~81 million ADS -> $9.7 billion market cap at $120 per ADS.
It also has some $3.5 billion cash/short investment and $1 billion convertible bond (conversion price 95.5 and capped at 127.87).

The sale price of YY China business is $3.6 billion.

JOYY still has 68.4 million Huya shares, which is worth ~$1.6 billion at $24 per share.

Therefore the enterprise value for BIGO is around $2.4 billion.

BIGO Live is a live streaming business with RMB 3.4 billion revenue in Q3 2020, so around $2.1 billion annually.

That is 1.1x sales multiple! Usually live streaming virtual gifts could be valued at 2-3x revenue.

Room to double!

2/ Market is not even valuing Likee, which is a legit business with 104 million MAUs in Q3.

Likee is popular. Some may even compare it with TikTok. The recent decrease is due to the ban in India but the rest of the growth will be fine.

3/ JOYY will become an true international company, and is poised to operate in a more flexible global manner, which should benefit its ex-China strategy.

Kuaishou Valuation

So the competitor of Douyin (TikTok) in China, Kuaishou (HKEX: 1024) just went IPO this week, now valued at ~$160 billion.

It’s a well-known app in China – with the current market sentiment, hypes around video-based social platforms, I should say I am not surprised about the valuation.

Here I provide one way to look at Kuaishou’s valuation:

Q3 revenue is ~$2.4 billion:

1/ ~50% comes from live-streaming (virtual gifts).

2/ The rest is from ads and e-commerce. I categorize them as “good” revenues that are fast growing (+200% yoy for ads) and stable.

For the first part, virtual gifts, we can use Huya (most revenue is from live-streaming) as a comp – about 3x annualized revenue.

For the second part, we can compare it with Snap, which trades at 25x annualized revenue. Kuaishou’s ads business (~$900 million in Q3) is at the same scale as Snap and grows faster – so some can argue to use 30x.

Therefore,

Kuaishou = virtual gifts business x 3 + ads & other business x 30

As virtual gifts is 50% now, we are talk about 16.5x revenue as a whole.

Annualize it: $2.4 billion x 4 x 16.5 = $158.4 billion


Virtual gifts business is debatable – while it’s 50% of revenue, it accounts for less than 20% of Kuaishou’s value if we use the above framework. So change it from 3x to 2x or 1x won’t affect much actually.

Deloitte and McKinsey

Institutions need some extra efforts to win trust…

  • McKinsey has agreed to pay $573 million to settle over its role helping to market and boost sales of high-risk opioids including OxyContin.
  • Deloitte China is now dealing with scandals exposed by a young employee, over illegal/unethical auditing practices by other employees between 2016-2017. You may find this organized presentation (in Chineses) here 德勤举报PPT.

Big corporations or respectful big names are never the “guarantee” of high standard.

They need to be more self-aware before any “systematic failure” might emerge.

Clubhouse Revenue (?)

Clubhouse is a $1 billion business with 2 million weekly active users (as of Jan 2021).

Despite the exploding user count, it appears to have zero revenue now.

Clubhouse mentioned three business model:  tipping, tickets and subscriptions (therefore, no ads – good!).

1/ tipping – it’s an established model in Asia but don’t think it will work well in the US. If rolled out, it will be on a smaller scale and shouldn’t be the main source of revenue, unless it incorporates cryptocurrencies like Dogecoin!

2/ tickets – I think this can work but it’s not sexy. It makes the app more “administrative” and ordinary. Also, eventbrite works well with some 2.5%+ fees.

3/ subscriptions – this sounds interesting and may leapfrog podcast subscription model. Another layer of curation can be added, which Clubhouse might have been working on).

Clubhouse may also think about adding features to be more relevant on a daily basis, than monetizing the app right now.

Spotify management should be worried.

Social medias should be worried too.

Alibaba Cloud in 2020 = AWS in 2015

Amazon and Alibaba posted their earnings for the last quarter of 2020 on Tuesday.

I made two charts that I believe will be interesting.

1/ AWS’ amazing growth and operating income

2/ Ali Cloud growth from 2016 to 2020, followed by AWS revenue 2016-2020

In another word, I am using AWS’ past performance as Ali Cloud’s revenue projection.

This graph looks smooth!

In another word, Ali Cloud is 5 years behind AWS in terms of revenue (or cloud adoption in China is 5 years behind)

One more thing, Ali Cloud just turned profitable this quarter (Dec 2020) in the adjusted EBITDA level.

The Stories Behind RH

RH (NYSE: RH), known as Restoration Hardware, is kind of hot.

Its stock price is more than doubled in 2020 and increased by more than 5x from its March bottom.

What has changed?

1/ as the pandemic hit, people spend more time at their places – meanwhile they spend money to renovate their places.

2/ wealthy people can’t travel and don’t have much ways to spend – new luxury furnitures spending fulfills some of those void!

3/ RH is now a brand/lifestyle. It’s not just furnitures – RH has restaurants, plans to open hotels.

To put those in chart.. (light blue line is Wayfair and pink line is Hermès)

Wayfair = furniture website

Hermès = luxury brand

GameStop Is Like A Soros Play

A week of blogs about GameStop – why not.


Reflecting on the GameStop mania, I feel it’s more like a macro trade, e.g. how Soros broke Bank of England in 1992.

1/ hedge funds are like the role of Bank of England facing Soros (retail investors, etc.). It’s almost certain that they cannot cover the shorts in the near term – just like BoE couldn’t support fixed exchange ratio.

2/ HFs didn’t realize that reflexivity is so important… they are analyzing the company as if they are the outsiders. But as people realize their short/put positions, they can support both GamStop’s real business and its stock. HF’s participation changes the real world itself. Also, people’s decision of holing GME stock also changes their purchasing behaviors.

3/ social medias (reddit, twitter trending, etc.) are now playing a role like Draghi’s “whatever it takes” speech. When expectation is set, people’s decision change as well – it becomes self-fulfilling.

Retail Investors & Those Stocks Unavailable For Them To Buy

Didn’t believe I have the 4th blog on the recent stock price surge in GameStop, etc.

But here are 3 things to say.

1/ Platform restrictions

Yesterday, some restrictions were put on those stocks by TD Ameritrade and Charles Schwab (also owns TD Ameritrade; acquisition announced in Nov 2019). Robinhood also increased margin requirement on those stock to 100%.

Today, nearly all major stock trading platforms put restrictions on those stocks. Robinhood, notably, won’t show search result for those tickers/companies and only allow order to sell those position, including GME, AMC, KOSS, BBBY, BB, NOK, EXPR, etc.

Robinhood is under the spotlight, for its name and its innovation and mission to democratize investing. (See Robinhood CEO interview video at the end)

2/ Options that are still in play

I did a little excel calculation, only for call options that expire tomorrow (Jan 29), Feb 19, March 19 and April 16.

If GameStop closes at $300 tomorrow, and assuming all future calls are settled – the call options’ net value would be about $4.4 billion in total, and ~$1.7 billion for Jan 29 options alone.

What’s more crazy – the underlying stock count for those in-the-money call options expiring tomorrow are close to 10 million shares or 19% of the floating.

If GME closes at $200 tomorrow, those call options are worth $2.2 billion at least.

If GME closes at $400 tomorrow, those call options are worth $6.7 billion at least.

And there are more call options in other dates.

3/ Who is broke (don’t know)

In interviews and articles by brokers, (Robinhood, Webull, Interactive Brokers, etc.), they talked about clearing house requirement, etc.

It could also be the counter-party risk from the other side of those call options – as the Interactive Brokers Chairman said “so if there are $10-15 billion loss in there, somebody has to pay them. will they be able to pay is a big question”.

Don’t think people want to see some market makers or brokers or investment banks broke.

But – guess someone is or might be broke.


Robinhood CEO interview


Some further reading…

Webull CEO

ANTHONY DENIER: Well, it wasn’t our choice. Our clearing firm gave us a call and said we’re going to have to stop allowing new opening positions in the three names, AMC, GME, and KOSS. Highly volatile, and what happens is this is not a political decision. And unfortunately, it got political. I think, you know, I think it was once said that don’t let any good crisis go to waste. And that’s clearly what’s happening here.

And we’re seeing politicians jump on the bandwagon so they can get– so they can start trending on Twitter. But in reality, what’s going on is that there is a two-day settlement between if you buy the stock today, those brokerage firms that you bought that stock on have to fund that trade with the clearing central house called DTC for two whole days. And because of the volatility of stocks, DTC has made the cost of the collateral of the two-day holding period extremely expensive.

And we just can’t afford– well, we’re not a clearing firm, but our clearing firm simply cannot afford the cost to settle those trades. We cannot use customer funds to front that cost due to regulation. So the brokerages or the clearing firms have to go into their own pockets to do it. And they simply can’t afford the cost of that trade clearance. That is the reason why these stocks are coming off. It has nothing to do with the decision or some sort of closed room cigar– smoke-filled cigar room of Wall Street firms getting together to the dismay of the retail trader. This has to do with settlement mechanics of the market.

And:

ANTHONY DENIER: …There is no way that a customer would not be able to sell a position they hold. We are simply stopping opening of new positions. Liquidations can happen at any time. This is general market mechanics. We have customer protections in place. We would never stop a customer from being able to get out of a position. But currently, we are stopping customers from getting into a new position. And that has to do with it possibly.

Robinhood blog

Amid this week’s extraordinary circumstances in the market, we made a tough decision today to temporarily limit buying for certain securities. As a brokerage firm, we have many financial requirements, including SEC net capital obligations and clearinghouse deposits. Some of these requirements fluctuate based on volatility in the markets and can be substantial in the current environment. These requirements exist to protect investors and the markets and we take our responsibilities to comply with them seriously, including through the measures we have taken today.

Starting tomorrow, we plan to allow limited buys of these securities. We’ll continue to monitor the situation and may make adjustments as needed.

To be clear, this was a risk-management decision, and was not made on the direction of the market makers we route to.

Market Should Work

Although I believe there is a turnaround story for GameStop (NYSE: GME) and short squeeze is smart, it seems that the impact is more negative today. GME closed at $347.51 per share at 4pm, more than 4x the closing price I mentioned in Monday’s post. The negatives come from a few things:

1/ the story is not relevant to fundamentals now – however the healthiness of a functioning market depends on its ability to return to fundamental (in the long run).

2/ too much volatility + ripple effect of funds scaling back will cause additional chaos in the entire market. Some unnecessary negative feedback loop might form.

3/ people who entered the “casino” late probably won’t do well…

This mania may alert future participants/regulator, but may also set a bad example for markets globally.

What I See From GameStop

The GamStop story is developing daily. I feel it’s not just about a reddit community. What I see is –

1/ Anti-establishment or anti-institution mood. People are getting excited about seeing those who are right most of time get things wrong (or they believe they see it)

2/ People really have the time and energy to unite and do “great project” or fight for a “mission”

3/ Tech vs. Wall Street – People love to see this story.

4/ I believe retail investors are just the cover-up. Some “smart money” is fighting other “smart money”.


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